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Psalm 19—Blog 5

A Torah Psalm
A casual reading of psalm 19 leaves one wondering the connection between its three sections: 1–6 the heavens, 7–10 Torah, 11–14 confession. So maybe some notes can help us determine where the poet was going with his thoughts.

“The heavens are telling of the glory of God.” I am sorry to begin this way, but to the secular eye glued to a telescope the heavens offer no glimpse of God. Christianity, and perhaps other religions, work this way; once one is “in” God may more readily be experienced, but from the outside looking in most religions, Christianity included, just do not make sense. Whatever irrationality scientists see in the heavens, God is not the answer they propose. As we discussed in class Friday, that what faith is all about. (see xxx for a excellent discussion on the creation vs. evolution stuff)

You must have realized after several courses with me that evangelism, how normally explained, is not something that I am too interested in. After many years of struggling with the issue, obediently handing out whatever I was told to do, I finally gave up, it’s just not me. God is ok with that for me (don’t use me as your excuse); I have a full time job that more than requires all that I can give, and then some. So I am far more interested in the “keeping in” part of the process than the “getting in” part. That is, I am interested in you!

The entire remaining “in” process should be working toward a more holy life; how that’s accomplished requires too much thought for this time of night, but here’s an overview. Christian living must be done in community, each accountable one another. By myself I can develop good devotional habits, good church going habits, carry around 3x5 cards with behavior relating instructions, memorize texts, and even vary the process so as not to become routine. But stuff happens, events occur unexpectedly, words are said without thought, sin occurs, so here I go again back to the beginning.

That’s when community helps: husband and wife balance each other; when one is weak the other strong, when one is stuck in a habit the other works in new areas, sharing builds. A family should function identically. What about a small bible college? Could we reconstitute ourselves as a place where Christian character develops in community, a place where staff works hard teaching and serving, while students work hard learning the Christian life skills necessary for 21st century living? What would such a classroom look like? Would there even be classrooms? How could I best teach you what I know and how it should be implemented without doing it for you? Ok that’s enough on this rabbit trail, let’s get back to psalm 19.

Only a poet would propose the heavens speak with silent speech, vv. 2–3. But then do not the heavens speak? I wonder if we have lost our observational skills. The ancients, particularly the Assyrians, became masters of recording the movements of the sun, moon, and stars as these bodies circled around the earth. It all had to do with astronomy which drove their astrology. Sometime do a google search for Ptolemy the Greek astronomer; his work brought together all that had gone before defining astronomy for 1200 years until the enlightenment star gazers figured out that the earth revolved about the sun. (A great heresy at the time for the church.)

Turning to the most notable heavenly body, the sun, our poet envisions a day’s beginning as the sun, now compared to a bridegroom, exits his night chamber to travel either to his wedding’s bliss or the first night after the event; in either situation that’s one happy sun emerging for a day’s shining and heating. Astronomically speaking, they did not have a clue what the sun did after it sank in the west and before in rose in the east; i.e., flat earth. But they did know that at day’s end nothing below had not been exposed to the sun’s rays.

The Torah serves a similar purpose; its instruction covers all aspects of life. Notice the synonyms: Torah, instruction, testimony, precepts, commandments, fear, judgments—that given by God to his people to guide their lives, each of which is followed by an adjective: perfect, sure, right, pure, clean, and true, and together result in a benefit: restoration, making wise, rejoicing, enlightening, enduring, and righteous. Taken together these principles work to keep one “in.” Now here’s the problem: the need to know Torah so that one may live successfully, must drive one’s life. I must work diligently to know how God’s word directs me to act in each life situation. The will of God for my life is not some obscure who will I marry or where will I work, but rather how do I live before a holy God today. If you can sell that Torah study must be more desirable than gold to young people you will change the church.

It’s about time I ended this novel, so let’s look at the final paragraph. The problem with ultra Torah living is that God’s word exposes us for whom we really are. No wonder most Christians shy away from reading, learning, and living by the book; blissful ignorance attracts far more than hard reality. Just a closing comment on the word blameless in vs. 13; neither the OT writers, nor Paul who likewise used this term, referred to themselves as sinless. Rather what they meant was sins addressed in the prescribed manner. Doing so as frequently as necessary results in one being blameless.

Comments:

Comment from: Dan Haynes [Visitor] Email
I can agree that to someone not in the Christian faith looking in has a clueless perception of the religion (I once was that way). Seeemingly it feels as though Christianity can never truly be lived out or even understood until the Holy Spirit makes His dwelling in us. Therefore, to the secular non-believer looking into Christianity it seems like foolishness, but if the Holy Spirit enters one begins to make sense of it allCommunity is one of my fasvorite words in which i inspire to liove my Christian life by, however I often find myself living just the opposite as a loner. Community is what the church should be all about. Included in community we must be real with each other, honest with each other, and openly sharing each other's joys and burdens. Isn't this the way Jesus lived? Often I find that we would rather stuff knowledge into our heads, then to stuff love into our hearts. I'm struggling with the idea that i am in a sense in sin when I am not practicing community in my Christianity.
As for ultra Torah living I believe that it is a hard concept to understand for most people. How do you feel is it a hard concept for you? (because it is for me). We are in essence taught either by society or our parents that we should look out for ourselves asnd then help others. In actuality it seems that jesus did just the opposite He looked out for others and then Himself. Again this goes back to community I feel as though we are so far away from hopw to successfully "do' community that we have no ceoncept to be ultra Torah livers. Man I am feeling convicted as I write this now, because I often fall short of community living, and serving others before myself. Any suggestions as to how we can improve community living?

By the way Rabbi I agree that some are called to "get others in" while some are called to "keep others in", but/and all are called to serve God.
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Comment from: Songeun Beak [Visitor] Email
Like Rabbi said, I definitely agree that ...stuff happens, events occur unexpectedly, words are said without though, sin occurs, so here I go again back to the beginning...
orientation - disorientation -reorientation.. until death. But, I believe that it is way to go more close to God.
God please give us distress to be able to overcome by ourselves.
I think christian community is very important.
When I feel that God is too far away from me, community of christian help me not to go far away from GOD.
human itself is too weak without GOD.
Oh, LORD, please help us to feel you more closely.
PermalinkPermalink 03/06/08 @ 23:34
Comment from: Hannah Mecaskey [Visitor] Email · http://leshemshamayim.wordpress.com/
Rabbi, I have far too many thoughts on the life stuff with the Torah here:

As much as the psalmist is not correct for all eyes that gaze heavenwards, but I enjoy the beauty and the childlike faith of a person who looks all around and marvels… such wonder at Yhwh in all creation. Someone looking at God in everything that tangibly signifies to me someone who is truly in love with his or her Creator. Science and all other “measuring techniques” set aside, I think we are permitted the freedom and flexibility to love God whole heartedly, however that looks for us, recognizing that most of the world does not share our perspective of life. Maybe even Christians don’t either, but I guess my life is somewhat full of all these checks and balances, different systems I create for myself to keep “in” with God… and encouraging my brother or sister to stay “in” as well. Wasn’t that the whole purpose of the Torah to direct the “in” lifestyle?

It’s almost amusing to compare Christians as God’s people today, following His life giving Torah with Israel. Somehow we hold it so much more loosely, far differently that Israel: Torah observation in the Christian church, to me, seems more like one reflecting another against the Torah, rather than self-evaluation. I can all too easily think I am living honestly according to the Torah is I depersonalize myself and claim that false perfection which James’ talks about- claiming to always keep the full law. The Torah was intended for those where were already in, as instruction for living, not, as we like to think, universal standards to be imposed on all mankind. My life lived according to the Torah will, however, serve that evangelism function of speaking out to the real relationship and community that exists in such a disjointed world. If God is the lover of my soul, then why do I treat His love letter like obligation rather than the negotiations of our relationship? I feel we Christians sell the Torah short by our mentality rather than depiction: I don’t think the world or our communities was perfection out of us—only the naïve idealist would so hold—but Torah living requires honesty about where I am right now that uncovers shameful parts of my everyday life… but even in these, the Torah reflects a picture of God if I am honest with it before others.

How do we become a people who reflect the Torah to one another within our own little community and beyond? Far too complex a question, far too many possibilities to answer by one person in one blog at one time. We have discussed some of the key aspects of Torah living as an individual with the Book: honesty with God in that book, that we really do behave with Gomer-like actions and intent at times when we act without thinking (or even allowing ourselves to think sinfully); seeking to live a life that better reflects the word there. When I conceptualize “Torah” I think of not just instruction for living, but an actual way of life, a calling of reflection… a living word. Torah holds only as much obligation as that marital covenant between a husband and wife, between God and His people… both must be engaging in action. The reflection has many facets, allowing for the entire body of Christ, even the specific body of our little Bible college to reflect just a bit differently than the next person, all reflections combined giving a fuller, ever-changing picture of what it means to live rightly before God and one another. To live out this Torah, this word of God, which imparts and encourages life, I think we each must take up the challenge to be far more honesty, dangerously so, with God, others, and self. I picture Torah-living as a process in constant revision by very design—all we need is the honesty to submit ourselves to the humbling process of self and communal adjustment and a drive to keep finding the new adjustment needing to be made.

Since we’re comparing the Torah to the sun, to an eager sun, newly married to setting forth to reclaim his bride, I like the idea of the sun being the most obvious body in the heavens and seeing all things before finding/returning/claiming its beloved. I wonder how many of us set the Torah as central focus of our life and acknowledge that it passes through as sees all in our hearts, minds, and lives? If I am picturing Torah as a living entity, a living Word of God, then the Torah sees all anyways, and why do I try and hide from it rather than embrace what it acknowledges about me and my life. I am exposed, at least before God, regardless of how I hide, so why do I not confess and be whole before my community as well? Maybe I do not perceive the Torah as obviously as the sun is figured, because while a holy lifestyle is principled out in the Torah, I must dedicate myself to sinking into those pages to face the sun or else I am lost. I fear we have lost the love of Torah by making it obligation: we were never meant to dread doing good, what have we done to God by thinking such of the Torah?

If it is a dangerous honesty Torah living requires with self, God and one another, I wonder how we can be constant about looking for and listening to what the Torah tells us, as a community and individuals. I wonder if that itself can become orientation, and allow us to slip from grace. More and more, human nature, to me, seems incompetent of preserving the sanctity of any pursuit, even ever-changing Torah living. But I have the Torah on my heart now, cut there with God’s diamond-sharp knife, deep on my heart, and that Spirit works its mystery within the Torah cut there. I might still be seeking perfection in hoping we might always engage the Torah and always be changing… so I will close in gratitude that the Torah allows me grace to become blameless again when I have slipped from honesty.
PermalinkPermalink 03/07/08 @ 06:01
Comment from: Rebecca Edney [Visitor] Email
It is hard for me to concede that "the heavens offer no glimpse of God" - even to the secular eye. Though a non-believer may not look up and understand the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob as we do - there still is room for the knowledge of a Creator drawn from the order of creation. To acknowledge this possibility leads to so many questions that, true, most decide to not confront...Indeed, though, to me as a believer my relationship with God is certainly enhanced by simply looking up and around me.
Evangelism in my life is not the questions I ask strangers or the tracts I hand out (I do not hand out tracts)but the relationships I build with those that do not yet know or care who God is. It is hard this way. There is often no immediate response and besides simply living honestly before them, loving them, and speaking God's praise confidently and naturally when an opportunity presents itself, there may be little of the current understanding of evangelism. But I pray for these relationships, for the influence of my testimony and the genuinesss of my lifestyle. I pray for my friends and my family and I do my best to leave their hearts up to God. I cannot live without reaching out to them, though. I love them too much - I love my God too much...
In reference to community I have been encouraged this year to see the development of a unified desire to live for God on this campus and to love God's people - and people in general. God answers prayer!
To "sell" the kind of devoted Torah study of which you speak one must first live it out. This is the challenge from many non-believers. Do not try to give them something that is in no way evident in your own life because they will have no desire to accept it. Make it real personally and commit to the "product" of the Torah and then your life will sell it, you'll just have to tell people the Source. It is often the connection between the difficulty of living Torah and evangelism that drives my relationship with my God. If I am called to speak His name and His ways to others, I first must be the one to change and grow. Only then will what I say matter.
PermalinkPermalink 03/07/08 @ 06:55
Comment from: josh sinclair [Visitor] Email
I'll comment on the community aspect. I notice a real difference in my worship of God in Chapel and then at home. At home, it is Josh and his God (or should I say, God and his josh?). At home I am free to say whatever I want to God. He does not get offended. If I over step my bounds, he corrects. Yet chapel, church, or any other communal form of worship makes me feel as though I'm in a spiritual gas chamber. I can't breath, much less feel the presence of God. If I were to worship God at church the way I worship him at home I am not sure I would be allowed to come back. It boils down to (what was mentioned in class) fear. And yes, Pride. I don't want to reveal the real me, because I'm quite certain you (community) will not like it. It will make you feel uncomfortable. If I took off this mask that i wear than I fear the community would have one hope for me.. That I would accept Jesus into my heart, because surley Christains are not like I.
I hope I'm not painting a pitiful picture, but I hope I'm adequatley expressing my frustration, and dare i say, my lonliness in the Christain community. Is there any room left in Church for people like me? Is there any place for me in Heaven? Ouch. The Kingdom of God is within me. Too bad "me" is the problem
PermalinkPermalink 03/07/08 @ 14:56
Comment from: Sheila Eldred [Visitor] Email
Romans 1.20 states that man is with out excuse and must concede that Creation is evidence of his existence. However, I agree with Dr. Snyder that the astronomer looks to the heavens and sees stars; planet; moons. Without going off on a creation apologetic, how does one help the astronomer connect what he sees with what he innately knows, perhaps in his unconsciousness’? There seems to be a big disconnect. How does evangelism fit into this?

Perhaps Dr. Snyder’s lifestyle evangelism in the classroom is the answer. Following ones personal call and utilizing God given talents and strengths may reach individuals like the astronomer. When we do life – in public it affords us the opportunity to have contact with such individuals.

As for changing the environment at our college, I can only offer my own experiences. I strive to be transparent, knowing that others can learn from both my successes and failures. Sharing my experience with others helps me process and relearn more from my own experiences. With that said, I encourage my classmates to open up in the safe confines of our classroom. Dr. Snyder’s office truly is the safest place on campus. Why be transparent, because we can learn from each other.
PermalinkPermalink 03/07/08 @ 16:37
Comment from: Laura Jenne [Visitor] Email
I failed to ask this question in the previous classes on the
subject of orientation-disorientation-reorientation. In the
disorientation stage one would think that there is no hope
(unless they have given up on God completely). I think that we
must look at this process with an eternal perspective. We have
the earthly perspective of hope down, but even that seems
unimaginable.
PermalinkPermalink 03/09/08 @ 16:15
Comment from: Tim Sanford [Visitor] Email
This Torah living is exactly what I have been talking about for the last couple of weeks. So many times we are so concerned with the details of what God wants us to do. For me, I get caught up on the where I am going to spend the rest of my life as a missionary. But I have decided that I am just going to obey my Torah like the Israelites did. I have all that I need. In reality I will most likely only obey the parts that I want to because that is what humans do...don't think that you don't. But I am not so concerned with the things that they Bible does not even talk about like the specifics of life. The Bible is principles and we all need to stop waiting for some special revelation from God to tell us to do something because we will die waiting. We need to obey and the rest will fall into place.
Sure I think that we should be seeking after God and he will show himself to us if we seek him genuinely. It is much more simple than people make it I fell. And yet at the same time I always have the fear of messing up. I think that I would probably be more secure in my decisions if I did the whole book and not just the parts that are easy or the parts that I like. Honestly being a Christian is not that fun, but then again I don't know how fun it is supposed to be. I think that it is exciting and dynamic but not fun and when we advertise it as being fun we are wrong.
PermalinkPermalink 03/09/08 @ 18:45
Comment from: Matt Terboss [Visitor] Email · http://knightword.wordpress.com/
Okay so as I read the first part of this psalm I'm suddenly being reminded of my favorite woman, the wonderful Lady Wisdom. But since I think following the Torah leads to seeking out Lady Wisdom I'm okay with that. The heavens declares God's glory calling out without words, yet wisdom too calls and all too often in subtle manner. Yet like the heavens her voice is heard throughout the world, you cannot escape either's message. Both Lady Wisdom's words and the heavens are those of Yahweh. Yahweh's Torah is perfect in all that it needs to do, which is kind of really awesome since I need my Wisdom loving embrace to revive my soul.
I have hopes that in my seeking of Lady Wisdom, I have sought out the decrees, and instructions of Yahweh. I am after all seeking a pure Wisdom; I don't have need of her corrupted sisters who have thrown God away. I can see her now wrapped within the Torah. I am faced with a difficult task for I must peel away God's words to fully see my wondrous lady. I must seek her through his many words so that I may more fully know her. I rather not find Wisdom only to turn her back because we knew each other not.

As I see the words of Yahweh written within the Torah I begin to learn more of the woman who I seek. She is true and righteous; as I said previous my Lady is a pure one, why should I not seek her? I can remember hearing her call of how much more is she to be desire over gold, I seek God's Torah and I see that in my Lady. My Lady is also a sweet one, and as I seek her she warns me of many things. O how precious my Lady Wisdom is to me. I want to be innocent before Yahweh, and yet I have all these faults, and they appear not so hidden to God all mighty.

My dear Wisdom advises me against sinning, o the many sins that I could and do commit, the various sins that I do which are so deliberate; I want to be limited of those. And with the graceful Wisdom by my side I can only hope so. Perhaps then I can actually be someone what innocent before Yahweh. I can only hope that he at least sees that I am trying and see that I am holding Wisdom's hand tightly. As I meditate the Torah which surrounds her, and as my dear Wisdom embraces me tightly, perhaps then I can be acceptable in God's sight. Let him be my rock and Deliverer, sure but Let' Wisdom's sweet embrace get me there.

PermalinkPermalink 03/09/08 @ 23:02
Comment from: Scott Ladd [Visitor] Email
I have to agree with Reba and Sheila, is it really that hard for people to see "God" in the heavens. Even science has had to consider the "intelligent design" theory. Scientist generally don't want to allow room for God, but it is hard to look at an orderly, complex universe and attribute that to chance. Even those who concede to intelligent design often would rather give some alien race credit before accepting the existence of God. The fact remains though that they recognize there is something about the heavens that causes them to search for answers.

The relationship of Torah and Sun speaks to me. I crave the sun, love hanging out in it, and would never want to be without it. Could you imagine for a second a world without the sun?

Do I feel that way about the Torah? If only I would love hanging out in it. Why is it so difficult to take the Torah for what it is.
PermalinkPermalink 03/09/08 @ 23:26
Comment from: Christa Moss [Visitor] Email
I enjoy the idea of community... but really, its just more evidence to the fact that the world is moving further from the Bible, because growing up, I didnt experience or see too much "community" caring. People are too concerned with caring for themselves. Even at a "small christian college" do we express care to our brothers and sisters-in- Christ as much as we should?
PermalinkPermalink 03/09/08 @ 23:33
Comment from: Thomas Bahr [Visitor] Email
Maybe it all comes down to the fact that, no matter what, without Him Who has laid the foundation of this existence, man still will reject God. Looking at the reality of those who constantly gaze into the vastness of space and wonder, those (like myself) who also look to the horizon for something more and constantly seek and search, asking for God to continually reveal Himself to us, maybe we miss something.
In the view of history, we look back with "perfect vision." Yet, even at the forefront of the world civilization, we still seem to miss the mark. Why is that? How is it, that we have the Torah, we have all that has been written and handed to us and yet we as the church still seem to be missing something. The idea that is in my mind is that we are to be constantly and consistently searching God. All of us are, so lets not act as if it is a secret and we have Him figured out. Just because we are "saved," doesn't mean that we have everything that we have been looking for. God still works through and with us. I believe that He will be doing that into eternity.
As Christians, we know that the grueling and agonizing steps to take are the ones that mature us, but we as humans would rather take the easy route. Sometimes I think that may be situational circumstances. For example, there are times when following God is not the easiest thing to do, quite frankly, it may the hardest, but it is the most rewarding. But sometimes when we mess up and do things our own way, that may also be considered the easy route, but is harder in the long run, right? Thinking back on my own life, the times when I tried to take the easy route and do things my own way, God showed me that it was not possible to successfully and pleasingly disobey Him. Yet, even in those circumstances, the result allowed me to mature far faster and more forcefully then otherwise. I am not condoning the whole "force learning process." That is not the wise way to live life. Yet, with some people, it is the most effective way. Maybe more of us should get our butts kicked around a little just to see what life is really like.
The community was probably originally set up as a help allowance program, or at least neighbors working together to help one another. This is still somewhat effective today and still practiced, but it is fewer and farther heard of. In my opinion, I don't even think that we can accomplish this in our very classroom, let alone communities in society. It is a rare thing to see this happen effectively. I am sad to say that, just as was spoken of in class, no one wants to show their true identity to anyone. This society is a "Stained Glass Masquerade" and we wonder why (Casting Crowns). We wonder why this is, but just step back and look what happens just in our classroom. One person speaks up and reveals what they are truly thinking and opens up their self and they are protruded by the comments of the rest of the class. Sometimes, instead of disagreeing or even agreeing, maybe we all should just think about and ponder and chew what has been shared. Our society is too critical and judgmental for whole communities to effectively work together. We all "feel" that we have the answer, when in reality, maybe none of us really do.
In questioning this, who is really called to "keep others on the "IN""? In comment to Dan's statement, is it not the Holy Spirit's job to do that? Are we really capable of "keeping anyone "IN""? If it had to deal with people trying to keep me in, I would not be "in" anymore. God is the only one who has kept me "in" anything, and even so, it has been Him working in me to do so. Yet, in my personal life, it is more rewarding for me to serve others than it is to serve myself, yet I do not always do just that.
In my opinion, I feel we should look more at ourselves and out from ourselves to see the need in others and not the judgments that we can give them. Just as Matthew 7:1-6 talks about, lest not us judge others for what they do, but rather judge ourselves and see what help we can give them.
There is more that I would like to write about, but it is getting late as I write this, and I am not prepared to continue this at all hours of the night.
PermalinkPermalink 03/10/08 @ 01:07
Comment from: Hannah Mecaskey [Visitor] Email · http://leshemshamayim.wordpress.com/
Tom, your mention of "stained glass masquerade" resonates with me too... we're not happy plastic people... we need to be as real with one another as we are with God. I am still struggling with the hate the sin love the sinner... and I would like to propose a compromise: I do know you by what you do: if you have established with a consistency in relationship that solidifies in my mind who you are, then an occasional slip will not affect my thinking of you. If you consistently harm me, I may react differently towards you; maybe this is about enforced first impressions. But I can learn to love in spite of hurt... but taking you and your harmful actions is quite difficult.

Matt, I love the sonnet to Lady Wisdom. May all of us find spiritual lovers as faithful as your fair Sophia.
PermalinkPermalink 03/10/08 @ 11:20
Comment from: sakiko Ayashiro [Visitor] Email
that was interesting. As you said, people not "in" God, may not make sense about 19:1-2 things. however, it may be also possible to think that, if it is His purpose, He may give even those are not "in" God the sense to feel (it may not be right word, but i cannot find other word to explain...so...) Him through His creation.
i was blind before i knew One who is my Savior. i could not notice/ see God in heavens and earth that He created. even now, i still don't have "the perfect-open-eyes" to see/ notice His greatness. however, since i received His salvation, He has been working to open my eyes to see/notice Him through all of things that He created. (and it also remind me psalm 33:5). when i read this verses and think about those, it reminded me Psalm 8:3-4. that is my thought.
and v.7-14 also remind me psalm 119:9-19. one of my friends told me the word of God is like a mirror to image(reflect) own's inside of heart. His words can declare real ownself and sin inside of us, and lighten/ show how we should walk this life.
PermalinkPermalink 03/10/08 @ 11:27
Comment from: Beth Smith [Visitor] Email
I am going to be brutally honest and admit that the idea of community terrifies me somewhat. I consider myself to be a private person (probably too private, but I'm working on that), and the prospect of opening up and sharing my thoughts and struggles with others is not one that makes me jump up and down for joy. Maybe it's because of past hurts that I am prone to hesitation or unconsciously shutting down. At the same time, there is a part of me that would love to be able to communicate freely with others without fearing what people will think or that they will somehow take what I have shared in confidence and use it against me. I find the whole process of orientation, disorientation, and reorientation a little unsettling because it clearly shows that honest communication with God is the only way to make it through. I have a hard time even talking about my feelings with my family, people I am expected to be close to. I often wonder what's wrong with me that I am incapable of doing so. Sometimes I feel like what I don't say gets me into more trouble than what I do say because I hardly talk. I have the opposite problem of what James talks about, instead of my tongue flapping around spouting whatever enters my brain, it remains tied and I don't say anything. I think that when it comes to my relationship with God, somehow I adopted the idea that I don't need to share everything with him because he already knows, therefore why waste the time to tell him. Now I understand that it is for my own benefit, not his, that I use "imaginative vocabulary" in my communcation with him. These last few classes concerning the lament psalms have really challenged me and caused me to try some new things when talking with God. It was a little weird at first, but the feeling of relief outweighs the desire to hide my emotions from him. Oh the years that have been wasted because of false beliefs and doubt. Slowly but surely I am learning how to articulate my thoughts and feelings with God and others. It will take time, but I know it is worth it...God always is.
PermalinkPermalink 03/10/08 @ 13:12
Comment from: mario [Visitor] Email
I think community is importan, especially among Christains.I share many of the same thoughts as Beth. Community,sharing and opening to others or being accountable to someone else does not come easily. It may be rooted in past hurts and experiences. Community is very important and it aides in ones growth and maturity. We are here studying to be in ministry, and so we have no choice but to be open and honest with others if we want church the way God wants it. I can't go on like this forever, change must and will come as God can only do. In the early church we see a community of loving believers, a picture of what heaven will be. But it can be that way where we are, if we choose.
PermalinkPermalink 03/10/08 @ 14:32
Comment from: Michael Brown [Visitor] Email
Having the Holy Spirit within me, I gaze up into the heavens and say to myself, "thats the fingerprint of God" The very idea of the vast complexity of creation happening by accident seems like foolishness to me, but unbelievers think that belief in God is foolishness. Almighty God who created the heavens and the earth also gave us his perfectly ordered instructions for living. Surly the creator of all there is, is capable of figuring out how we should live with one another, and Him. However, unbelievers think the Torah is foolishness, why not follow selfish ambition, why not look out for number 1. This begs the question, from the unbelievers point of reference. why is it foolishness to follow God? What are you giving up? the freewill to hate your neighbor, perhaps it's the concept of putting others before ones self. It seems so silly to me not to believe. The Heavens declare His glory! if all you see are stars and astrological objects who is the one with blinders on?
PermalinkPermalink 03/10/08 @ 20:59
Comment from: Kendra Sorochinsky [Visitor] Email
I fully agree with all that Reba said. First, I to cannot see how anyone, even non- Christians can look to the "heavens" and not think that there is d=some kind of divine being. It is just so amazing and beyond description. Sure, scientists try to describe everything by taking God out of science, it just doesn't seem to work. God's majesty and beauty is reveled by his creation and it is hard for anyone to think that it just came from nothing.
Secondly, to me, evangelism is more than just words. It is how I live my life, and the relationships that I form with others. It seems that more and more today, relationship evangelism is a must. People just don't trust others like they used to in past years. People close their hearts and mids to those they do not know, and in order to get to know someone and be able to share Christ, a relationship must be formed. And a key component to relational evangelism is being an example of Christ and showing love. Only by our example of Christ would anyone want to be a Christian.
Lastly, like I said in the last paragraph, we must live out the Torah in our lives. Is isn't enough to just know the Bible. It won't transform you if you don't allow it to. Study, prayer, and fellowship are key components to on'e relationship with Christ, and if we aren't getting those things, it tends to show in our lives. In order to be example of Christ and his love to others, we must be in constant communication with God and constantly seeking him.
PermalinkPermalink 03/11/08 @ 09:06
Comment from: Leanne Rofe [Visitor] Email
The idea of the unsaved being unable to see what Christians do when they look at the heavens of course is correct. If the unsaved and the saved began to see the world in the same manner we would surely be in a lot of trouble! As a child of God I love to see the things that He has created, knowing that He also created me to be the way that I am. For the unsaved, they do not look for these details in everything because to them it does not necessarily matter. They are not looking for God in the heavens because they do not truly want to find Him there. We of course will not see what we are not looking for. According to Ephesians 4:18 "They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts." Until God opens their hearts to the message, they will not see Him in all of creation.
I agree with what everyone is saying concerning relationship evangelism. However, I think that it is also important to verbally share the gospel message. It is of course important that our lives demonstrate Christ, but words are needed as well. Though some may argue with me, there are people in today's world that live decent lives (according to their own standards not God's). To an unsaved person, how are they to tell the difference between your love and their's. Sometimes we have to explain why we think, talk, and act in the manner that we do. I think that there must be both a relationship (demonstrate with the way we live), but that there must also be a verbal sharing of God and His love and work in our lives.
I also agree with the idea that most Christians are worried about doing the process (reading, understanding, & living the Bible) because it exposes who they truly are. As we have talked about in class what God wants from us is for us to be honest and raw with Him. However, it is one thing to be honest and raw with God and another to be that way with others. I think that some of this comes back to the whole idea of our society being so consumed with "politically correctness". For the most part, in society, we are not allowed to be real and honest with one another because it may offend someone or what they believe. Unfortunately I think that this has traveled over into the church (making the church politically correct). Could this be part of the reason that we are so hesitant to share honestly with one another (whether it be a praise, prayer request, something God is teaching us, etc.)?


PermalinkPermalink 03/12/08 @ 15:16
Comment from: Aimee Cartner [Visitor] Email
While it is true that scientists look at the heavens and see anything but the God who made them, not only does the poet see God in the stars, but Paul the lawyer also uses that reasoning to show that men are without excuse before God because He has shown himself by the creation. I think that the reason people don't see God in the heavens, is that they don't want to be accountable to him. If there is not God, if he has not shown himself to them, then they can choose to live any way they want to. It is the same with the Torah, with God's instructions, if I don't believe in God, and I am not accountable to him, then I don't need to know what Torah says, because that would show the things in my life that are not pleasing to God. People ignore God in creation, and in His word because they want to live the way they want to.
Now we come to the last section of the psalm. This I think especially speaks to the one who sees God in creation, and in His word. The one who sees God there, has his sins shown to him. The servant of the Lord who desires to please Him, will not hide from the revelation of sins, but seek God's cleansing, and even ask God to show him more--the secret faults as well as the presumptuous sins. That one wants not only to have actions that please God, but also his words, and even his thoughts to be acceptable to the Lord. And there is the recognition of God's role in cleansing and giving strength to live that way.
I love the last verse, and it is also a prayer of mine, but not often enough. Personally, I know that many things keep me from God's word, from time spent alone with him in quiet meditation, the business of life, of school, of work, of family, and the desire just to relax and not work at the relationship. Can anyone answer a question for me, how does one be quiet before God, listening for the still small voice without a)falling asleep, or b)having your mind fill with busy thoughts?
PermalinkPermalink 03/12/08 @ 15:37
Comment from: mario [Visitor] Email
Perhaps thats a challenge for alot of people and I know its one for me too. My mind does tend to wonder when I'm listening for God's voice. I would suggest even if your mind does wonder into the busyness of life, just stay right there and try to focus on God again. We have to make the time for God because if we don't life is not going to hand it to us. God blesses us when we do.
PermalinkPermalink 03/13/08 @ 09:28
Comment from: Songeun Beak [Visitor] Email
Torah Psalm - delighting in and meditating on the Torah of Adonai marks the way of the righteous person.
How should we live before a holy God?
Torah articulates God's intentions.
We can choose life or death.
We have to follow from the will of God obediently.
I watched News about a murder who kills young child.
Until now, the polices is looking for the murder and the reason why he kill her...I feels sad and scared..
..say that human is not bad.. just his behavior is bad..
But now, I really really hate someone who kill child.
Why does it happen to us?
why? I want to ask to God...
How should we live before a holy God?
At this time, we have to think about this, so deeply...
Like you said, we have to teach Torah study and they have to be changed...
God, I pray for young child who is killed.
I pray her spirit will go to your house.
we don't have anything to believe and trust except you.
please save us from this pit.



PermalinkPermalink 03/13/08 @ 23:59
Comment from: Hannah Isaiah Victor [Visitor] Email
Dr.Snyder.
I read Psalm 19 many times,and I appreciate the way you have posted it.The sun,with it's splendour and brilliance,is a
particularly notable witness to God's glory.However if people
are to know God's glory,we need more detailed knowledge than the physical creation can provide.We need God's written word.
That word is the authoritative revelation of God's will for
each one who wishes to deligently seek Him.This word has a worth beyond value and it brings enjoyment beyond comparison.
The Torah warns and instructs people and makes us more sensitive to sin.It brings an increased desire for cleanliness from such sinful life and strive to live a
blameless life.Spurgeon, called God's word 'A World Book and A word Book".The God of nature made known to man through God's written word.To learn about this God we have to be "IN".
We have to be with God both in good times and in hard times.
We have to be in the community of a Bible preaching church
which is only half of the community and live a life that is pleasing this God of all creation so that the other half of
unsaved community would see and learn as we strive to portray the qualities of The Savior.It is the life a christian lives
the world sees,not the handouts we give out although written
information plays an important role as well.

PermalinkPermalink 03/14/08 @ 10:10
Comment from: chris dorais [Visitor] Email
I think everyone can say that there are days were we go, "huh how did I miss that or did I hear you wrong" but it is God that knows what is best for us. No matter what. I find interesting that the blog refers to husband and wife being strong. Indeed we need one to encourage and grow but let's consider that the only thing that God wants us to do is love him and love others. This takes a sacrifice of pride and arrogance. God grants us mercy and wisdom because without him we are nothing and we need time with him. So I say if you want to consider the college and change and all that you need to be on track with God and loving all people and giving all people the respect and energy they deserve.

If we can remind ourselves that everything is a risk (including spending time with God and people) and we are on this world to serve him then God can use us effectively. I say praise God that he even wants to spend time with a idiot like me!
PermalinkPermalink 03/17/08 @ 00:37
Comment from: Sommer Scott [Visitor] Email
Dr. Snyder,
I am struggling with what you said about
not being interested in evangelism.

About Psalm 19: About the heavens
declaring the glory of God: God says in
His word that we are without excuse
because of His creation. No one is going
to be able to say, "I didn't see God
when I looked up into the night sky, so
I should be allowed into heaven, even
though I lived a sinful life and didn't
accept Jesus as my Saviour and my Lord."
God meant what He said--we, as humans,
are without excuse.

By God's grace I am where I am today.
I'm trying to live according to the Torah.
Thank God for it! It shows me my sin.
My personal prayer:
Psa 19:12 Who can discern his errors?
Declare me innocent from hidden faults.
Psa 19:13 Keep back your servant also
from presumptuous sins; let them not
have dominion over me! Then I shall be
blameless, and innocent of great
transgression.
Psa 19:14 Let the words of my mouth and
the meditation of my heart be acceptable
in your sight, O LORD, my rock and my
redeemer.








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