Post details: Psalm 115 blog #1
Psalm 115 blog #1
After praying with Kate this evening, I turned back a page where my eyes fell on this interesting psalm. So here are some comments for you to consider. (It was interesting that we both had turned to the identical section in psalm 119 to use in prayer; as I went first, she just used the next section, 41-48. Verse 42 sounds a lot like 1 Peter 3:15 to me)
In the some of the following I am dropping the convention of using an upper case letter for the word "god" in order to demonstrate the comparison/contrast between our god and their god.
vs. 1 "to your name give glory," several reasons come to mind, why I give glory to God. Perhaps a comment or two on your use or not use of the following.
(1) What he has done: often the bible's later writers recount in their stories or letters a brief history of Israel--what God has done for his people. During our times of doubt of God's ability to deliver through present circumstances, perhaps we should turn to the evidence of past instances.
(2) What he is doing: I say it often, but not quite enough, if God is who I (you) say he is, then he knows what he's doing with my life. If I am undergoing tension, stress, or problems, most likely they are there, by God, to test or mature my claimed faith.
(3) What he will do: even I believe in the eschaton. Someday God is going to straighten out this messed up world in which we live; until then I hope he finds me faithful.
The question the psalmist composes in vs. 2, "Why should the nations say, where, now, is their god?," most likely originated because Israel was in exile: the Babylonian god, Marduk, had soundly defeated Israel's yhwh (their god's name). Now here is faith, in spite of the obvious, the psalmist boldly holds onto his god's claim of absolute control: "our god is in the heavens, he does whatever he pleases."
Our poet takes the offense: in contrast to our god, their gods find themselves the mere product of man's craftsmanship. Gods in the image of man: mouths work silently, ears for earrings nothing more, eyes with cataracts, noses hardly savor, hands frozen, feet but not for walking. (Both Isaiah and Jeremiah have similar mocking descriptions of the inadequacies of idol worship, Is. 40, Jer. 10.)
In vs. 8 the writer extrapolates: "as they (that is these gods), so will their makers become." Anyone dumb enough to worship an inanimate idol will one day become the same, one not able to decide for themselves who blindly follows the dictates of others. The opposite holds for Israel: "be holy for I am holy," Israel must strive to live in pattern of their god. Maybe someone wants to comment on the freedom or lack of freedom that a Christian has; is an obedient Christian one who blindly follows the dictates of others?
Now our poet directs his words, vv. 9-16, to god's people, challenging them to recall past divine provision as the motivation to trust in spite of present objectionable circumstances. If they trust, as he has delivered, he will bless. After all the one upon whom they call is the world's creator.
I am unsure about the end, so here's a preliminary thought, let me know what you think. Theologically the psalmist realizes the majesty of his god, concurrently he understands that man in one way or the other rules the earth. Now who are these "dead" ones, vs. 17? Two options: one they could be the dead fathers of those Israelites in exile, those who did not exercise faith in God. If so he writes to his fellow Israelites: let's not follow the ways of dad and mom, it got them dead. Rather let's faithfully expect our God to do what he has in the past, mercifully deliver his own.
For option two, the writer may be picturing for god what life in exile is like, it's as if one were dead. And then he says to god, dead people can't praise you; how about delivering us so that from now on we may bless you.
I am glad I spent time with this psalm. Why would anyone want to replace God with some sort of man created god or idol? But I think I do it quite frequently. What about you?
Comments:
Maybe I’m too simple, but I have always assumed my purpose is and found delight in giving God’s name glory. Sure, the Catechistic phrase “Man’s chief end is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever” comes to mind, but I think its more than just a stated purpose. I have had to learn how to embrace and make my own this process of glorifying my Creator, my Father, and the Almighty God. Circumstances shouldn’t matter, though often I make them matter, in glorifying God. “Praise You in the Storm” has become kinda a personal goal of mine.
I have learned by past experiences that even if I can deduce God’s purpose in sending me some hard situation, because I think we can trace all things back to God except my own sin, that my own heart becomes quiet when in the most absurd situations, I make a conscious decision to praise God. So after its all over, that for me is the easiest time to praise. The hard points are when I am fighting and struggling, confused and weary… right in the middle of all the hardest things, when it doesn’t make sense to praise, that God might be most glorified. Looking to the future can be a scary, absurd thing. I have no clue what tomorrow holds, but I know God is always faithful to His plan, so I praise and glorify Him for that. I think now in life, I am working towards Paul’s “content in all situations” which is form me a conscious reflecting that God will be true to His word and His plan, no matter how it seems to me.
Obviously, again maybe I’m too simple, I ask where God is when I can’t feel Him. Maybe my perceived reality, but that won’t stop me from reaching out, even if God is right next to me and asking Him why I can’t feel Him. Hard times, to me, don’t mean anymore that God isn’t there. Usually I need God to send those hard times if I am just honest with myself and my situation, so I can praise Him for being faithful to give me what I need, nice or no so pleasant. No one ever defeats my Yahweh… even if it seems they have. I have no proof, for I feel my God just as strongly as an Islamic feels his Allah. All I know is that God is Alive because He has told me so in a book that I know is His word: my defense for all this is a completely irrational certainty, faith. But God gave me this sense of His or I wouldn’t be so sure.
Fascinating, how stupid we are to admire and worship what we make. Wake up stupid, it can’t save you if you can’t save yourself. If anything threatens to become an idol, I would rather cut out my own heart than stop feeling God. Nothing is worth that much. If faith means at times that I can’t feel Him, I would rather cling to faith and the surety I have from Him than some stupid idol. What if I’m wrong? Then I will sincerely die having sincerely believed. Without Yahweh life is meaningless and I should just kill myself now, save myself the pain of another doing so – life and Ecclesiastes tell me this.
I like remembering what God has done. It cultivates hope, I should do it more. I am guilty of not remembering some of the most basic things from Him.
So these dead guys in v. 17? Can I play both? Our ancestors died in disbelief, and we are dying out here in exile, because we can’t feel you God? God, don’t make us dead like them ,we are trying to have faith? Yes. Alas, I kill myself everyday with an idol—because I think my stupid human nature is forgetful. I sin. I sin because I forget God. Or I don’t care. But I tend to care a lot, so I take on so much that I forget frequently. What are some key ways to remember? How can I avoid idols and do what I want to do, glorify God? Can I suggest that the key is remembering Him? Anyone have suggestions on how to remember better? Disciplines can become dead, we need more of the Alive Word that dead methodology. I'm a sinner, I confess; an idolator with the worst. God have mercy on my soul.
Hannah
My final comment will be.......God please remove and point out to me the idols in my life (even if they are hidden to my eyes).
maybe, because they are so weak, feeble, infirm, frail and sickly,they may be needed to depend on more visual and concrete things like idols.
God, Please give me strong, deep, pious and devout faith and belief toward you(God) without my mind's shaking toward idols.
maybe, because they are so weak, feeble, infirm, frail and sickly,they may be needed to depend on more visual and concrete things like idols.
God, Please give me strong, deep, pious and devout faith and belief toward you(God) without my mind's shaking toward idols.
So if God never revealed himself, you would have a bunch of people running around, knowing that somewhere a god existed, but unable to know him. Is god in the water? It is pretty powerful and scary. To be feared and respected for certain. But wait, what about the sky? The storms and the lightning, surely there is a god there who can cause such a torrent. It really is no wonder or mystery why people search for God. They believe because they should, they need to believe in God because his handy work is demonstrated in creation. The Psalmist here acknowledges that God was the creator of the heavens and the earth (v 15). He then makes this statement, what I believe is part of the problem. The heavens are the heavens of the Lord, but the earth He has given to the sons of men (v16).
The Deists are incorrect, God is more than a divine clock maker, and we know that because he has revealed himself. At the time of the Psalmist he had already revealed himself to the nation of Israel, and it was their function (the sons of men who had been given authority on earth) to live obediently before God. In doing so they would have caused a stir among the surrounding nations and “the people” would respond saying, “Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people (Deut 4).”
A good witness can go a long way toward pointing the lost to the one true God. It won’t work for everyone, we had Jesus and still some resisted. What about today, is there any reason for the world to toss away their idols? The reputation of the church is always so tainted with the actions of a few stupid people. How about those believers that whine through every difficult situation, what a powerful God they display. How about the plethora of defeated, nominal believers? How powerful does their God (which just so happens to be our God) appear to be? My question is this… Are we at least in part – responsible for the unbelief, and misplaced trust of the unsaved world?
As to verse 17, I have two totally different thoughts.
1) The Psalmist is speaking of the three realms. The heavens, the earth, and the place of the dead. The heavens representing a place where God receives all the praise (v 16). The dead representing a place void of God’s praise (v 17). In the middle is the earth – where men will either decide to praise or withhold praise. The Psalmist declares that his choice will be to bless the Lord (v 18).
2) The Psalmist describes the fate of those who manufacture, and those who trust in idols (v 8). Perhaps the dead in v 17 are referring to the idol worshippers. They are dead, or as good as dead, and cannot/will not praise God.
Even considering that God has revealed Himself to us, I think we probably tend to read too much of us into God rather than the other way around. Its hard to think that I cannot prove my God to anyone else... that the best proof I can give is a life by faith, but even then I have to be careful not to erect some idol in my heart. I think there may be a difference between perpetual idol worship and merely idol maintenance. Does a righteous man have no idols? Hm... some would say thats impossible for humanity.
Hannah
**I just wanted to note that even as I type this comment, God has answered a prayer of mine. A friend asked me to pray for a friend of his who's walk with the Lord has been sliding lately. He just told me over instant messenger that his friend is starting to take steps in the right direction. God is so good!!
The bible speaks of the extra ordinary men who left their footprints of example for us to follow, and learn lessons from their life experience. One of them was my second hero Daniel (First is Elijah). Daniel trusted in God inspite of his present situation. The man of God lived (exile) among the pagans, and in every situation God showed himself powerful on Daniel's behalf.
Of course ! The high point of tension arose when Daniel was thrown into the lion's den. Did God fail to rescue my hero, definitely not ..here comes the king near the den, he called to Daniel in an anguished voice, "Daniel, servant of the living God, has your God, whom you serve continually, been able to rescue you from the lions?." God rescued Daniel from the lions' den.
This week, I faced a hard situation (if you don't mind! may I call it as a test). I was broken into pieces and realized that everything landed upon my head all of a sudden in one day, one after the other, and it continued. Emotionally I sledded down. I understood that I was in the lions' den too. The lions that I faced were the worries, grief, pain, and fear. Let me explain more clearly...My dad's health condition, debt to the college, judgmental people, and a broken heart. God spoke to my heart and reminded me to remember my past how he walked me through everything. I remembered everything. God did lift me out of the lions' den. The lions are out there, but I have my God here (in my Heart). He has given me peace, and once again humbled me to trust in him wholeheartedly, and I fell into his arms. My greatest fear is that I was going to be a fatherless child, but My Abba reminded me that I am getting worried of the lion who is waiting to devour me... He reminded me to resist that lion, and also He assured me that he is going to shut it's mouth.
He granted me the peace that He is faithful to his promise. God did not let the pagans laugh at Daniel or question him “where is his God?.” God is great, he understands the human mentality. He elevated Daniel, likewise God is able to elevate the humble ones who put their trust in him.
This part really hit me.. i often find myself amazed as some of the simplest concepts and characteristics about God, but when i actually take the time and reflect on the simple truths that i often take for granted i am just awed by God and who he is. this phrase, especially the part that says 'ears for earrings nothing more' really stood out to me because way to often we do create gods for ourselves hoping that they might give us the comfort and peace we long for and only can receive from the one true God. we find ourselves waiting and hoping for the answers from something that's 'mouth works silently'. and then when its all over and we've chased this thing that we thought would fill that void, we are left empty, if not more empty than we were before we began running. way too much we forget that God is standing right there waiting for us, with a mouth that speaks great words of comfort, and ears that hear even our quietest concerns, and eyes that see our every minute of our every day, and hands that are their to hold us when we need it most, and feet that run towards us and help show us the way when we're lost. we forget that he is calling out our name and waiting patiently for us to realize that he is the only thing that stands and that can fulfill our every desire. but instead way to often we choose to chase, with all our might, after something that wasn't even made with ears to hear us, but only with the capability of wearing an earing and looking nice...
The first verse of this Psalm makes me think of elsewhere in the Bible where the focus of a prayer is the glory of the Lord…
My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as You will. – Matthew 26.39
Now my heart is troubled, and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour? No, it was for this very reason that I came to this hour. Father, glorify Your Name! – John 12.27-28
The question you pose – Why I give glory to God – rests for me in the freedom you mention later. His love, His mercy, and His grace have set me free to more fully understand His sovereignty, His goodness, and His faithfulness. Those who know Your Name will trust in You, O God, for You have never forsaken those who seek You. By releasing me from the futility of a focus on this life alone and on myself only, He has allowed me to see His purpose – setting me free to love Him and to love others…I give glory to God because the LORD sustains me.
He is NOT a God made by men, but wholly other. He speaks, He hears, He sees – He creates, He reigns, He orders. Why indeed does the world mock Him?!
Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in vain?...How long, O men, will you turn my glory into shame?
I give glory to God because it makes no sense to give glory to any other. And in light of His claim to be good and His promise to have the best for me, it makes no sense to live for any other…
It is difficult for me to find comfort in verse 8 of 115. I understand that it holds hope for those who would choose to reject the idols of this world…but I read simply that for those who choose to live instead for what they can gain in this life, time is short. It breaks my heart to know that many that I love, and even so many that I will never meet, will go through life not knowing the freedom of God’s love and then will spend eternity apart from Him. I know that God is good and that He is fair and that this must be how it must be…but I love the lost. Their mock no longer offends me but makes me sad for what they do not yet comprehend…
Verses 9-11: Trust in the Lord – He is [our] help and shield – 3 times! True, He has been faithful; and will be.
I admit to your proposition of replacing God at times with an idol created by men…even in doing it I am baffled by such a mindset. If I believe God to be who He says He is and believe that His word is true and He is faithful to fulfill what He has promised – again, nothing makes more sense than to trust Him. Daily grace alone can keep me conscious of such a perspective.
in doing this. This, I think is my tendency
toward worshipping that which is not God.I
praise him daily for who he is, ask for his
guidance, and then turn around and do what
suits me. But I also see many examples of
the same in scripture, of those considered\
Godly, so I will continue to ask, and seek,
because I want to know God and please him.
As far as the dead in verse 17, I have
thought that statements like this, in the
OT show that the dead are silent, awaiting
resurrection, either to eternal blessing or
judgement. But perhaps, I need to examine
again the context of what is being said.
“Trust and Obey” is a cute catchphrase; but the process of living that out is a difficult matter
I first read Psalm 119:41-48. I began to count the pronoun usage. The Psalmist uses the first person pronouns (I, me, my) 16 times but uses the second person (you) only 11 times. My first impression was that the writer’s emphasis was misdirected. I questioned, ‘if you love His decrees (v.48) then why do you wait for love and salvation before answering (v.42)?’
I found my answer in the preceding verses (33-40). In summary, these verses request God’s enabling on the Psalmist. It was then that I realized, the Psalmists focus was not misdirected, for apart from God’s enabling assistance (2nd person, you) the first person (I) can not answer/obey/respond. Unfortunately, even with his enabling we (I) still fail. Therefore, all the more reason to pray Psalms 119:33-40: God, enable me! Better yet, let’s pray as a couple: enable us!
I need to also remember especially in the trails (as James amongst other writings reminds us) to trust God. That Yahweh can't be defeated by Marduk, Anath, Ba'al or any other gods that might arise. Any "true" or of mine own making. God is as you pointed out high in heaven with all power and able to do with us as he pleases. He is God after all. Thankfully he is mercifully and just, so I can trust my powerful God, Yahweh.
Be Holy, for I am Holy. My ultimate goal I suppose is to be Holy. One I guess that I'll never attain, that is until I and Sheol meet. I suppose I can live with having to follow my God's direction. What's the alternative? Follow Belial? I think I'll pass I think I need to try also to focus on Yahweh and less on these other gods and goddesses of my live. Perhaps life might be better then
Greatness of God.
I want to brag about this Great God who has saved me,
a sinner.I want to give all the glory to His name
for the sake of His steadfast love and faithfulness.
Those who call ourselves as His children, ought to be
living witnesses, not as those who worship the Idols.
Their Idols are silver and gold as the Psalm says.
Here is something about the Idols.Indeed it is true
that people to this day make Idols for themselves
in various forms and worship them,every day and several times a day.Those of us who have an opportunity to live in this civilized country also have to pause and examin ourselves to see whether we knowingly or unknowingly
have created any Idols for ourselves like,fame&fortune,
if so we are dead in the spirit.
Let us tell the world about the Greatness of this living God
when ever it is possible because the world is watching us.
Let us worship The Creator, not the creation.
Greatness of God.
I want to brag about this Great God who has saved me,
a sinner.I want to give all the glory to His name
for the sake of His steadfast love and faithfulness.
Those who call ourselves as His children, ought to be
living witnesses, not as those who worship the Idols.
Their Idols are silver and gold as the Psalm says.
Here is something about the Idols.Indeed it is true
that people to this day make Idols for themselves
in various forms and worship them,every day and several times a day.Those of us who have an opportunity to live in this civilized country also have to pause and examin ourselves to see whether we knowingly or unknowingly
have created any Idols for ourselves like,fame&fortune,
if so we are dead in the spirit.
Let us tell the world about the Greatness of this living God
when ever it is possible because the world is watching us.
Let us worship The Creator, not the creation.
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